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so

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by globalization we're talking about

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more or less this vast

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interlocking mechanism of technology and

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telecommunications so when all said and

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done that's the

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that's the basic dna of globalization

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it's technology

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and telecommunications that that

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basically end up

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interconnecting in such a way that's

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without any borders without any

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boundaries

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and then in effect as a consequence of

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that

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it makes a singular sort of worldwide

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political and economic system uh more

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obtainable

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um and it's primarily through a process

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we call standardization

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this is why our pilots all sound the

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same when we get on the plane

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it's called standardization right we get

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the same lecture every time we're on an

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airplane

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it's standardization it's a

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one-size-fits-all way of doing

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life and whether you're dealing with

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politics

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economics uh human rights whatever they

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are uh you're dealing with a singular

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standardized um you know protocol

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for how you approach whatever it is and

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we even start eating

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the same thing with the expansion of

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mcdonald's exactly

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exactly right my my wife is from japan

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and i'll never forget one of the first

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times i was actually

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alone traveling in japan i was

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practicing my limited japanese

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i stopped into a mcdonald's of course to

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get something to eat i was hungry

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and i was so proud of myself i went up

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and said bongo ichi which means

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number one i wanted the number one meal

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and then she added off some

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you know something in japanese real

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and then i go and i eat it and i'm

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eating it staring out a window

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looking at a leonardo dicaprio poster

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across a billboard

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so there i am in downtown tokyo sipping

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a coke

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you know eating a big mac and looking at

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a leonardo da cat that's globalization

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but but but we get to eat we get to eat

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sushi in america though so we do

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we do so this is so it is so when it's a

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what we say it's the difference between

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servant masters like the old biblical

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conception of idolatry right

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as long as it is serving

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a greater purpose globalization is

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wonderful

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and it gives us incredible uh advantages

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we just never had i would never have met

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my wife if it weren't for super travel

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for example

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so and we and we have and i do like the

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fact that my pilots all speak the same

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of uh the uh the airways as it were

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well i just want to touch on that a

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point this is a

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fascinating topic but yeah the one thing

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noticed in traveling uh the world of

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late which i've done quite a bit of

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actually in the last few years

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is and maybe people who travel less

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don't realize this but how much

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english has become the universal

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language of the world i mean it is

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for an english-only speaking traveler

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such as me who hates other languages

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never been good at picking up other

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you know you don't even have to try in

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most countries

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to interact in their native language you

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just start speaking in english and if

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you're in a place that interacts with

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tourists they speak english it really is

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yeah it's a fascinating thing especially

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when you're dealing with scandinavian

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nations you know they

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they're they're their english is

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impeccable um so

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absolutely it's it and that is part of

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of globalization where it gets

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known as disembedding so we've all

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experienced it with mom and pop

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shops in our local neighborhoods that

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local mall uh just moved in and if you

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is there's nothing local about a local

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walmart being perhaps the best because

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it wipes out your local grocer your

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local business they're wiping out uh

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they're wiping out localism they're

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sorry de-traditionalization we'll talk

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about re-traditionalization a minute

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but de-traditionalization is where

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um the customs cultures and traditions

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in a globalized world there's no place

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so they can't get if they're unique then

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by definition they tend to get pushed

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you know commercialized if they can't

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then they really don't have much

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relevance and so then that's when the

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faith and community as their

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foundation of creating a sense of what

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radicalized consumers so now we have a

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rid of all these traditions so as to be

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able to feed you all kinds of possible

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identities that you can choose from and

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you can you could literally go from one

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so that and real quick

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becomes pernicious and maybe you're

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going to address social media real quick

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as it pertains to that

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oh yeah of course so so right so right

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the selfie media right so i mean and

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life is time jordan peterson reminds us

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what is it life is a fatal disease right

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to flourish as humans so social media is

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going to take all that away

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conception of the self that can change

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we have you know a secularized version

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progress and to some extent this is when

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so um and and there's good and bad to

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uh items there i mean i think the poor

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material goods in america because things

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china so how do we balance out the good

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with the ban to ultimately conclude

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that this is bad yeah so i don't think

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it's an either or it is a balance and

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again it's it's making sure that

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being a servant and that's where

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economic nationalism is not necessarily

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protectionism it's not necessarily

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any stretch of the imagination

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economic nationalism fundamentally is

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of one's culture

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the economy is an extension of the

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character and the identity of a nation

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so for example for some that might

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uh protectionism tariffs and the like

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but for others like jr bolsonaro and

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by marxists over the last 30 years he

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wants to open up brazil he wants it to

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be actually a bit more globalist

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a more competitive uh more free market

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so he's operating from a much more

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uh approach to the market but again

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thoroughly from the notion of this is

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what's good for our nation and for us as

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as circumscribed by borders and cultures

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so i think a good healthy dose of

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economic nationalism is the key

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and how that looks is actually going to

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differ depending on what culture

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is employing it and and what how do

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globalization i think a bit more from a

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united nations and so on i mean i

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thought i was in support of brexit

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because why add an additional layer

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of government because government is

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inherently bad to begin with the less

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government the better and you're adding

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an additional layer

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and you're just giving over your

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sovereignty uh to

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you know brussels or what have you and

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right that most

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government the best government is local

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government the closer government

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is to the problem the more likely it is

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to be able to solve that problem

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having problems solved at a dc for 50

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states

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is absurd we put way too much power in

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dc

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in my opinion we need to go back to

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localized government

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and we certainly don't want global

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government

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right yeah so that uh subsidiarity idea

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uh that classical idea that right the

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local was

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better because again you have then uh

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very pragmatic culture custom tradition

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local localized dynamics to to work out

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the problems because we all have to get

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along with each other

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so we're able to figure it out best when

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it's handled locally

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globalization is the opposite it tends

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to standardize and standardization

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requires top-down

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management and so what we were facing

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for example you say in europe and

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britain or what's going on now with

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hungary and poland is

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you know you had the whole 2015

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migrant crisis refugee crisis north

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african middle east

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they're starting to flood into europe

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and then the so-called bullies in

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brussels you know say okay well

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everybody has to take a certain amount

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of these refugees and uh britain

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and poland and hungary saying uh no

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thank you

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they're not gonna get along in our uh

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culture of society i think it was

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slovakia that turned around so we don't

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have a single mosque

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there's no point for them to be coming

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here and the like

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and brussels responded well too bad

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you you have to take them and their

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response was well but

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we're we're a sovereign nation where

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hungarians and hungarians are going to

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decide

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who comes in and who doesn't we're polls

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polishing

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and the bullies in brussels said sorry

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no you relinquish that when you join the

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eu

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decisions you don't

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and that's been the battle that's been

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going on particularly since 2015 and

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that was the

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huge thing in brexit that nigel farage

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was able to exploit quite well

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saying look i is is britain gonna be run

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by brits or is it gonna be run by

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brussels it you can't have it both ways

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and um yeah by god's grace we're seeing

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more and more populations say we're

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going we're going back home we're going

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back

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locally and so we're seeing the

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globalist modernist structure sort of

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breaking

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up really start with the soviet union

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december 25th 1991

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and ever since then it seems scholars

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like sam huntington you know clash of

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civilization thesis

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from harvard he said you know we can

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expect to see more and more globalist

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modernist structures because i think

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communism was just an alternative

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globalism

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uh we could start seeing those

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structures begin to break up people just

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going back home

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as it were which is conservatism in many

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respects you know the

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our two foundational documents are are

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homer's iliad and odyssey

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for western civilization the iliad is uh

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people far away from home and they're

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they're in constant war and strife and

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turmoil

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and the only solution is in book two

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which is the odyssey

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you gotta go home you gotta return home

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it's the prodigal son

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uh parable that's where we find our

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human flourishing

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okay so now let's turn to christianity

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and and what is the role of christianity

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in having people return home and to

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fight against this globalism

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yeah so as we're so this is samuel

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huntington's thesis

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and he wasn't um in many ways i think he

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was a bit of a late comer so you had

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like francois leotard arguing in the

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late 70s

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you had another frenchman uh misha

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memphis lee

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writing in the late 80s about um

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a post-modernism that was coming into

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the world

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that was breaking up the modernist

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structures that had been built over the

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last couple of centuries the eu

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the un you know the soviet union and all

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that sort of stuff

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and the question is why are they

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breaking up well because populations

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aren't putting their trust

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in one size fits all political and

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economic systems anymore that's a very

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modernist conception in the world

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but post-modernists tend to see um

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they tend to see that as just arrogance

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they like to see

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that different cultures have different

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views of life and so on

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so it doesn't post-modernism doesn't

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really have the structure to support

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modernist modernist institutions and so

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what populations are doing is they're

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just kind of as a word they're going

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back home they're returning to the

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notion of identity

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they're returning to the notion of

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nationhood uh as we could see in our own

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land and

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the notion of race and ethnicity and

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um and so as part of that they're also

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returning to their religious

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traditions that undergirded their

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civilizations for the last several

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centuries because they're seen as having

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a certain

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authenticity they're seen as having

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something

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truly

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post-modern ironically it has to be

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pre-moderate

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because if it's post-modern and it's

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something new then by definition it's

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modern that's what made the modern world

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the modern world in the 18th century

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we're going to try something new we're

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going to throw out the church we're

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going to throw out monarchy

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we're going to throw out religion and

457
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eventually you know we're going to throw

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out family we're going to throw out all

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these things and we're going to try

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something new we're on a brave new world

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now we're seeing nobody's offering

462
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anything new anymore jim if you think it

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through

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no one's offering anything new

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everyone's going back

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every even what we're seeing with blm

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it's

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all we're seeing with antifa's

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destruction and what we're seeing with

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blm

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is sort of this radical tribalism this

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neo-tribalism that's thoroughly

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pre-modern

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so what we're finding is that

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populations are going back and when

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they're going back

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pre-modern frames

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of reference uh they're no longer

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interested in the brave new world

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star trek kind of world all our all our

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all

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our uh science fiction now are dystopias

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they don't trust the future

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the the the future is not something

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anyone's looking forward to

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so they're going back to the past

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because that's where where we can find

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our

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true identity that's where we had it

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together before this horrible

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modernist experiment so you know wakanda

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forever and all this kind of

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imaginary that's bringing people back to

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a more

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simple sacred time and for the west

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that involves a revitalization of our

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classical christian frames of reference

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so um returning to religion

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though is dubious considering

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the history of religion and the warring

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that's going on with

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religion and the fundamental devotion to

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religions and i mean there's been

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obviously there's been a lot of

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positives and negatives to

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religion but in today's world of

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fundamental

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islam and and that whole battle the idea

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of christianity

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rising i mean it almost sounds like a

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bit of a holy war so and we certainly

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don't want to go in that direction so

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by advancing the idea that

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we need to return to christianity which

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i assume you're advancing that right

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you're saying that we should be

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trying to return to christianity um but

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well i'm making

519
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i'm making i'm making a two-fold

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argument i'm making an argument that we

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are whether we want to or not

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and then and then i am saying that that

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yes that that is to certainly to be

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preferred

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then to the uh uh the secularizing

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tendencies

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so so first starting with the fact that

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we are

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that i think what is surprising for me

530
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to hear i don't know if that's

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you predicting this or saying that

532
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statistically we've already

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seen it because from my casual

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observation

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uh maybe being in los angeles changes

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that perspective

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a bit but i certainly don't see the

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churches the the the numbers in the pews

539
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say for putting covet aside obviously

540
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,679
right but but the numbers in the pews

541
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seem to me to have been going

542
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down am i wrong about that yes very much

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so yeah

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yeah yeah um the number so

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so sure regular church attendance in the

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united states has not gone down for 40

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years

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i mean every sociological study on here

549
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uh rodney stark of baylor universities

550
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has the meta study on this um

551
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we haven't we haven't seen a dip in

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church attendance

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uh in literally four four to five

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decades

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now are we talking in real numbers or or

556
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percentage

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no in real numbers yeah so as the

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population increases so does

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so does so does church attendance so

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that here so you're saying because in

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the last 40 years population has

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probably

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close to doubled in the united states

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yeah oh yeah yeah okay

565
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,559
so you're saying that the catholic

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church for instance it's

567
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yeah no it's just i've doubled yeah you

568
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said you're talking about well again if

569
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you're talking in

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just it's staying with population growth

571
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sure right so population is double in

572
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:56,400
those 40 years you're saying adherence

573
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:56,720
to

574
00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:00,080
the catholic faith has has also doubled

575
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,440
yeah i would have gone up with the

576
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,360
population yeah

577
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:06,080
yeah yeah so what you're what so what

578
00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:06,960
you have to

579
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:09,720
recognize is that that 60 percent of the

580
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,120
population

581
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:13,360
that doesn't go to church on any regular

582
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:14,240
basis

583
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:17,440
never did um so so you've got a forty

584
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:18,000
percent

585
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:19,120
when you're sorry sorry to interrupt but

586
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:21,200
you say never did i mean going back to

587
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,400
say the founding

588
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,799
you know in the 1700s yeah well but even

589
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,240
actually there more of us are going to

590
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,160
church today than were at the founding

591
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,320
remember churches were hard to get to

592
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,760
they weren't necessarily easy like in

593
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,280
the medieval period

594
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:35,520
uh they were mostly in the cities at

595
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,880
least in europe so

596
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,400
most people didn't actually go to church

597
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,080
on a regular basis that's an interesting

598
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:41,760
point yeah but but as far as adherence

599
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,080
though

600
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:43,919
the adherence had to be much higher so

601
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,480
this is so this is the change

602
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,799
and this is the modernist world that we

603
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,240
saw arise

604
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:53,200
the change is is that the 40 who go to

605
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,760
church

606
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,080
on a regular basis that hasn't changed

607
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:57,840
what's changed is the

608
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:01,280
self-identity of the 60 that that

609
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:04,159
has not gone in these last 40 years has

610
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:04,799
not gone

611
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:08,400
to church uh on a on a regular basis

612
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,960
that's changed back in the day back in

613
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,400
the 50s and 60s they just call

614
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,840
themselves christians that's

615
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,440
what else are you going to call yourself

616
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:17,200
you know christmas easter you know

617
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,400
thanksgiving what else are you going to

618
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,280
call yourself

619
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,799
and there's and there's a logic to that

620
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,480
and there's a there's a very good logic

621
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,080
to that and that they're they're

622
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:26,799
beneficiaries of a of christendom of the

623
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:27,280
of a

624
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,280
for 1200 years

625
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,400
so okay we got that but then starting in

626
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:37,039
we notice in the late 60s 70s and 80s

627
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,000
they start

628
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:40,480
changing that identification the more

629
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,360
the category

630
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,760
secular starts coming out so then they

631
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,039
might say okay well

632
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:47,280
i think i'm a bit more secular or the

633
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,240
more uh

634
00:20:52,510 --> 00:20:50,559
notorious term the nuns right not

635
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,520
n-u-n-s

636
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:55,440
n-o-n-e-s the nuns i don't have any

637
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:58,240
religion and you you know you don't miss

638
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:58,880
a year

639
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,480
when when uh washington post or new york

640
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,280
times says ah

641
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:06,000
you know secularism is growing in our

642
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,720
nation and

643
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:09,200
nuns are growing in our nation no they

644
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:09,840
are not

645
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:13,200
that's a very misleading analysis of the

646
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:14,080
data

647
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,159
what's what's growing is nothing

648
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,440
40 regular church attendance 60

649
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,240
non-regular uh non-church attendance

650
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,000
what's changing is the

651
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,640
terms they're designating themselves for

652
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:29,600
and and that

653
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,120
term differential was happening within a

654
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,360
population that has not increased in the

655
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,799
least

656
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:39,200
right well but but if i'm understanding

657
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,480
what you're saying

658
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,640
is still very significant change that if

659
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:44,240
among those 60 percent that aren't going

660
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,600
to church

661
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,240
if far fewer are identi identifying

662
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,600
themselves as christians

663
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,600
and said as secularists or as nuns or

664
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:53,520
whatever you you want to refer to it

665
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,960
compared to 50 years ago 100 years ago

666
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,240
or whatever you want to compare it to i

667
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,679
mean that's a significant change isn't

668
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:01,440
it

669
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,240
of reference are

670
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,640
playing themselves out so what modernity

671
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,840
basically said

672
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,760
is that we're now going to have so when

673
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,520
i say modernity we're talking the 18th

674
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:15,440
century enlightenment

675
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,880
that basically said the enduring element

676
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:20,000
of that

677
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,039
was that we're going to have a

678
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:23,039
revolution of knowledge that says that

679
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,840
anything that is not

680
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,280
scientifically provable is going to be

681
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,360
expelled from the realm of knowledge

682
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,520
so you can believe you know you have a

683
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,039
soul but you can't know it you can

684
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,039
believe there's a god but you can't

685
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,240
know it that's because it's impervious

686
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,360
to the method by which we now determine

687
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,720
knowledge

688
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,760
and as that works itself out the church

689
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,840
gets increasingly marginalized into the

690
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,240
periphery of society so you see that

691
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,480
even in our urban planning where

692
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,799
you know a new england commonwealth or

693
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,559
you know a european

694
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,520
uh city old medieval city would have the

695
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,200
church right the center

696
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:03,840
of things so yeah talking about that

697
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,240
group

698
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,360
so so

699
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,520
just the so the way that's working out

700
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,880
because i think it's an important point

701
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:11,520
so

702
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,559
scientific rationalism ends up changing

703
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,840
even just the very urban

704
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,559
planning that we have so we're in the

705
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,159
you know medieval uh

706
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,640
villa about more medieval city or the

707
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:26,080
new england commonwealth the church is

708
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,120
right at the center

709
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:30,080
of life now today where's the church you

710
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,200
know it's right next to you know

711
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,760
pizzerias and dry cleaners right you see

712
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:36,320
you see uh pizza hut and you see uh i

713
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,880
don't know

714
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,720
uh dunkin donuts and you see first

715
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,000
methodists and

716
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,840
and therefore by definition then it

717
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:43,520
can't really preach truth

718
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,799
anymore because truth is a public thing

719
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,200
it's truth that i gotta pay my taxes

720
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,880
it's true it's true that i could go to

721
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:53,039
prison if i don't and if i commit tax

722
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,320
fraud and the like

723
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,360
if i get pushed next to a you know yoga

724
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,760
class or weight watchers class that's

725
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:02,159
not truth not and not in the ultimate

726
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,640
sense

727
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,480
that you could build a civilization on

728
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,720
it so there's no question that the

729
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:09,520
modern restructuring of the world

730
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,720
has created both a very i don't want to

731
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,960
say dumbed down but a very reductionist

732
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:17,039
conception of christianity on the one

733
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,159
hand for the average

734
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:21,520
church go or that 40 but also something

735
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,000
very

736
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,600
frankly irrelevant

737
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,480
for the 60 so yes absolutely that's a

738
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,440
major shift

739
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,679
what we happen to be seeing those with

740
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,600
the death of those modern frames of

741
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,640
reference

742
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,720
i mean now nobody believes science is

743
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,400
the only way we know i see it with my

744
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,679
students all the time

745
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,600
they may start that way but the moment

746
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,120
you kind of question them a little bit

747
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,960
well can scientists be wrong

748
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,480
they buckle under the pressure well of

749
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,000
course you know we can't know anything

750
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,919
that kind of that's the post-modern

751
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,039
frame of reference

752
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,200
now that's opened up space to re-examine

753
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:58,000
faith and classical religions and so

754
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,480
forth

755
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,799
in terms of their role of what it means

756
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,840
to be human

757
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,159
now of course nobody wants to go back to

758
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,640
any kind of abuses or anything like that

759
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,080
of course we hope we've learned

760
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:10,080
something from from anything like that

761
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,480
but

762
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,559
certainly people do want a sense of

763
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,480
authenticity they want a sense of

764
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:17,440
meaning and purpose and it's very hard

765
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,000
to find it

766
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,400
just solely secular frames of reference

767
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,840
especially when the very

768
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:24,159
scientific rationalist foundations for

769
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,039
that seem to be eroding away as the

770
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,679
one-size-fits-all

771
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,520
of understanding the world so i think

772
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,679
that's kind of what's going on

773
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,200
with this i don't think it's a i don't

774
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,480
think it's a coincidence we're seeing

775
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,520
more cults

776
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,440
you know and more more spirituality or

777
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:38,880
resurgent really a

778
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,240
resurgent paganism a real neo-paganism

779
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,960
uh in the world today um that that is

780
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,640
going right along with this idea of a

781
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,320
return

782
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,640
yeah well when i think of blm and antifa

783
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,600
i kind of think of that

784
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,880
as a as cults that are replacing

785
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,720
religion as you point out people

786
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,400
searching for some meaning

787
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,120
beyond themselves and they're latching

788
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,120
on to these radical

789
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,799
concepts which you could see how

790
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,480
somebody could get sucked into the idea

791
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:08,400
and get very passionate about the idea

792
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:08,880
of

793
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,919
ending racism um and getting all worked

794
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,559
up

795
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,960
about it and convincing yourself that

796
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,840
this is this

797
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,240
horrendous problem that needs to be

798
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,520
saved it needs to be

799
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,000
cured through any means necessary i mean

800
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,240
it's very cultish

801
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,760
it it it is and because of course it's

802
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,000
not based on any real evidence

803
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,159
uh you know we if we're looking at this

804
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:34,480
from an evidential perspective

805
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,240
it tends to be um wildly exaggerated

806
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,080
you know heather mcdonald manhattan

807
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,840
institute has done studies on this

808
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,720
thomas soule who's himself black of

809
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,559
stanford university's done studies of

810
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,000
walter williams

811
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,200
um carol swain of vanderbilt university

812
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:54,159
uh princeton uh tenured uh scholar there

813
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:54,960
black uh

814
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,240
as well none of them by any of the blm

815
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,559
rhetoric in in the least it's not rooted

816
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,080
in any evidential

817
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,320
basis whatsoever so in a sense it's yeah

818
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:05,440
it's like it's

819
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,799
ethereal

820
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,279
it's very numinous but but i could i

821
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,559
could make the same critique about

822
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,640
christianity because christianity really

823
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:15,360
isn't

824
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,799
based on any scientific basis it's it's

825
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,240
based on ancient

826
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,360
stories where if you

827
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,039
scientific review of it or even

828
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,039
historical review of it seems to

829
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,990
yeah well um we could get into that

830
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,000
if you want but no i think i think

831
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:38,000
that's i think you're comparing apples

832
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,520
and oranges there i mean when you're

833
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:41,039
talking about

834
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,440
blm's attempt to make universal claims

835
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:48,399
versus a christianity that's that's

836
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:48,960
rooted

837
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,080
in literally a 5 000 year wisdom

838
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,159
tradition that rationally sees

839
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,000
infinite eternal being as a necessary

840
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,559
precondition for any finite thing

841
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,840
you're dealing with the difference

842
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,320
between infinity and santa claus

843
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,840
just because you can't see something

844
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,000
doesn't make it non-real

845
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,679
no but i mean the problem is and i i

846
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,200
think the reasons

847
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,799
you know with the scientific revolution

848
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,320
and why that's been a challenge that

849
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:14,159
came out of christianity jim

850
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,600
that came out of christian frames of

851
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,520
reference but but didn't come out of

852
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,480
islam

853
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:21,120
but it is still made you know where

854
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:21,840
whereas

855
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:24,640
you know creation stories and noah's ark

856
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:25,200
stories

857
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,039
mean that's

858
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,960
but that's but that's i mean i sorry i

859
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:32,960
don't mean to cut you off but that's

860
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,919
i mean that's absurd i mean look jordan

861
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,640
peterson has done a fantastic job in

862
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,640
in trying to frame this in a way that

863
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,760
can help

864
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,080
people make sense of it in a in our

865
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,600
post-modern hangover

866
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:48,080
we all have creation myths we all have

867
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,360
creation stories

868
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,520
evolution is a creation myth evolution

869
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:53,279
is creation story oh but it's rooted in

870
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,919
evidence

871
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,600
that's called a myth there is no

872
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,360
evidence for evidence

873
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,360
it's rooted in a sacred commitment to

874
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,440
evidence because we believe this is what

875
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,840
enables us to flourish as humans

876
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,880
and it's the same thing with

877
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,520
christianity christianity is rooted

878
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,520
in fundamental commitments that we

879
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,799
believe and we have

880
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,520
2 years with the judeo-christian working

881
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,039
out 3 500 years

882
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,880
we believe those frames of reference are

883
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:18,960
indispensable to human flourishing

884
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,919
and can create an extraordinarily humane

885
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,000
literature art architecture music and

886
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,559
poetry and drama unlike

887
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,799
anything the world has ever seen

888
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,039
certainly modernity has not been able to

889
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,880
do that its architecture is probably the

890
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:34,320
ugliest thing we've ever seen on the

891
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,120
planet

892
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,039
so all i'm saying is that and then of

893
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,640
course christianity does have its

894
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,520
evidences

895
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,679
the claims of christ having risen from

896
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:44,159
the dead is not taken surely on faith

897
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,360
there are some pretty impressive

898
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,799
evidences that nt wright and other

899
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,480
scholars have talked about

900
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,320
so no i think i think you're being a

901
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:51,760
little reductionist

902
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:54,720
there i i'll be happy to beat up blm on

903
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,039
it

904
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:57,679
because i think again blm is a kind of

905
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,480
micro

906
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,960
belief not a macro belief like

907
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,000
christianity

908
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:05,360
a micro belief that evidence ends up

909
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,320
surrounding and

910
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,880
snuffing out in a way that i mean the

911
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,760
moment you start

912
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,440
trying to take on macro beliefs like

913
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,960
that i'm going to ask you what what's

914
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:14,640
the evidence for your macro beliefs but

915
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:15,039
then i'm

916
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,919
also going to ask you what's the

917
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,480
evidence for evidence yeah well

918
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,760
you know it's a question that i've

919
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,240
always had is that you know we need more

920
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,720
selflessness in society we need more

921
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,760
honor

922
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,720
um we need more morals and ethics i

923
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,320
think you know we're lacking that

924
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,559
in washington significantly and just

925
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:34,240
generally speaking as you see how people

926
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,440
are treating each other

927
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,480
out there and a lot of people say

928
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:41,200
that yeah that's because people aren't

929
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:41,600
the

930
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,200
uh religious faces

931
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,360
declined and they're not getting that in

932
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,120
the churches and so on

933
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,399
um and my question is

934
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,840
where can can can't we still have that

935
00:31:01,029 --> 00:31:00,000
do you really do is christianity the

936
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,039
only solution

937
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,600
for bringing that type of honor and

938
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,640
selflessness

939
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,240
and caring to people because i mean

940
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,320
certainly it fills that role

941
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,120
but with so many people having left

942
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,559
christianity

943
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:15,120
where else can they get that from sure

944
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,679
sure

945
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,840
absolutely well there is there is what's

946
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,039
known as the

947
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,519
philosophia perennis so the perennial

948
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:22,799
philosophy

949
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,039
it's a fancy way of saying

950
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,120
you know when we come together and we

951
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:30,399
really think together

952
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,159
over the ages as a human population

953
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:36,720
whether it's christian jewish buddhist

954
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,440
hindu

955
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:40,320
islamic secular you name it whatever it

956
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,640
is

957
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,240
as we come together we try to figure

958
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,679
what does it mean to be human

959
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:46,080
how are we how are we to act what does

960
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,200
meaning mean

961
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,919
that's a very interesting question uh

962
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,760
what is the significance of life

963
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,360
where are we going all these sort of

964
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,279
things what we actually find is we get

965
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,279
we have a lot of common

966
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,640
reference

967
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,600
to overlap with like a venn diagram and

968
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,440
i think in many respects that's what the

969
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,039
founding fathers were kind of were

970
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:10,000
interested in they knew in order for us

971
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,120
to be truly

972
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,159
free we had to be virtuous

973
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,320
but if we if we were if we were going to

974
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:18,399
be virtuous we had to have

975
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,679
a very real faith of some kind

976
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,360
but if we're going to have a real faith

977
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:25,279
a real fig not coerce it's got to be

978
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,000
free

979
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:29,200
got to be virtuous and on and on and on

980
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:29,919
it's the

981
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:32,960
triangle of freedom so i don't think

982
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,279
that

983
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,960
modernist frames of reference are

984
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,120
providing it anymore not

985
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,880
i mean i'll even say not because there's

986
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:41,120
anything i do think there's inherent

987
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:44,240
problems in modernity uh but i don't

988
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:45,039
think it's

989
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,320
you know i don't think someone like a

990
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:48,880
sam harris or something is having

991
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,440
having those problems i think he's able

992
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:54,480
to get through life just fine basically

993
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,519
uh but i do think modernity has fallen

994
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,919
there's no question philosophically on

995
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:02,240
that we've moved into a post-modern

996
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,880
world

997
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,279
and if we don't have secularity of

998
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,760
modernity as our anchor anymore

999
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:10,880
then how do we arrive at that common

1000
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,360
ethic

1001
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,120
that you're talking about where we're

1002
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:14,799
engaging in

1003
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,840
civic virtue and and trying to live in

1004
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,519
truth and honesty and

1005
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,440
caring for our neighbors and the like

1006
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,279
well christianity has a very

1007
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:26,159
very profound frame of reference for

1008
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,720
that

1009
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,279
but so does buddhism so does hinduism so

1010
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:30,799
does so does

1011
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,760
contemplative secularism so does

1012
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,000
spirituality

1013
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,240
and i think as we come together we have

1014
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,679
those conversations

1015
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,279
in many respects i'm arguing that's sort

1016
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,880
of what the new christendom

1017
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,039
is the new christendom can't we can't

1018
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,880
remove secularism

1019
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,840
completely we're not you know it's it's

1020
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,640
we're not uh

1021
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,120
bolsheviks you know we're not trying

1022
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,480
we're not trying to you know

1023
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,039
do the opposite right of of imploding

1024
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,640
churches we're not trying to implode

1025
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,039
history of natural natural museums or

1026
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,039
anything like that

1027
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,320
we when you're moving into a new phase

1028
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,840
in society you're going to bring the

1029
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,079
phases from the previous society just as

1030
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,119
cathedrals have come

1031
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:12,240
into modernity just as your religion and

1032
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,119
faith has come

1033
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,560
into secular society so secular society

1034
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,520
is going to come

1035
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,879
into religion and faith in their

1036
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,520
and their and their comeback so i just

1037
00:34:26,669 --> 00:34:25,280
think there's going to be a bit more of

1038
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,679
what we would call an

1039
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,159
inter-institutionality i think the

1040
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,599
church is going to have a little more

1041
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:30,639
say

1042
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,639
because that has a bit of a pejorative

1043
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:35,119
to it

1044
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,320
the church could have a little bit more

1045
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,159
of a contribution to

1046
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,280
to what really contributes to a

1047
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:42,800
flourishing society

1048
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:46,399
than say it had in the 60s and 70s and

1049
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,280
80s when

1050
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,480
when modernity was was at its height

1051
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,919
let me run this concept by you know

1052
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:53,119
it'll give you a good idea of where my

1053
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,919
head is on

1054
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,399
on this and that is i i've had this idea

1055
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,680
of

1056
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,560
jesus's teachings are fabulous they're

1057
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,560
similar to buddhist teachings and so on

1058
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,680
as far as how to treat

1059
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,200
each other and so on turn the other

1060
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,200
cheek i mean lots of great lessons

1061
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:10,960
in there um but it's all tied in

1062
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:14,000
in interconnected with the cult the cult

1063
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:15,119
of christianity

1064
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,079
also as a religion but those teachings

1065
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,520
you know how can we teach those

1066
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,359
teachings with that you know

1067
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:26,160
do i have to believe that jesus was born

1068
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,960
of a virgin

1069
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,599
and is the son of god and came here to

1070
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,920
redeem us all of our original sin that

1071
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,599
started back with adam and eve do i have

1072
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,760
to buy into that whole narrative

1073
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,079
in order to appreciate his teachings and

1074
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,880
live by his teachings

1075
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:42,160
yeah well you're talking to an eastern

1076
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,599
orthodox guy so we don't believe in

1077
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,000
original

1078
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,760
sin but we'll leave that part out for

1079
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,040
you

1080
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,400
i was raised catholic so i guess that's

1081
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,079
where i got that there you go okay so

1082
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,079
you got it you got a heavy dude so that

1083
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,839
augustinian stuff all right so we could

1084
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,680
get into it but yes no we all believe

1085
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,560
we every faith ha everyone even

1086
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,960
secularists even occasio cortez has to

1087
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,800
believe in some kind of fall

1088
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,960
that they're trying to rescue us from no

1089
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,160
no question about it

1090
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,680
well so there's an answer i mean the

1091
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,680
simple answer to that is a yes and a no

1092
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:12,480
and and at a superficial level no of

1093
00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:12,880
course

1094
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:16,280
we're all we're all we're all

1095
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,079
beneficiaries of thousands and thousands

1096
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:21,359
of generations

1097
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,040
prior to us and their and the society

1098
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,560
they built um

1099
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,640
for better or for worse we're all

1100
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,359
inheritors of it and we're going to live

1101
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,760
in those in those frames of reference

1102
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,960
there's all kinds of

1103
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,280
anthropological studies on on how

1104
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:39,359
societies kind of maintain themselves

1105
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,079
through what's called

1106
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,240
social imaginaries and all that so you

1107
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,839
and i are using english that's been

1108
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,000
around for a thousand years

1109
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,839
that we we don't know the first thing

1110
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,760
about the theology behind it we don't

1111
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,880
know the first thing about all these

1112
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,880
things but yet we use it it's practical

1113
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,000
it helps us to get through

1114
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,280
life that kind of stuff the question i

1115
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,240
think is

1116
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:01,119
when you're trying to when you're trying

1117
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:01,599
to

1118
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,040
think about life social life

1119
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,320
civilizational being you're really

1120
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,680
getting into the question of

1121
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:12,960
what does life really mean and and

1122
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,160
our societies how they're built in terms

1123
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,520
of time and space

1124
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,240
reveal that so a cathedral is going to

1125
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:21,680
tell you that

1126
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,560
time and space are inherently sacred and

1127
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,320
they have been redeemed

1128
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:29,119
in the virgin birth and the life death

1129
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,160
and transformative

1130
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,480
resurrection of christ that's what a

1131
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,960
cathedral says that's what a castle

1132
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,680
across from the cathedral says that that

1133
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,599
space and time is sacred and we're

1134
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:40,720
supposed to

1135
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,240
make visible and tangible that sanctity

1136
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,839
that's what rembrandt is telling us

1137
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,680
that's what michelangelo's telling us

1138
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:48,560
that's what

1139
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:52,320
is telling us the estonian composer

1140
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,880
today

1141
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:55,119
most uh sought-after composer in the

1142
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,320
world today

1143
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,240
so that's what they're telling us what

1144
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,640
what a strip mall tells us

1145
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,880
is that time and space are meaningless

1146
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,480
they have no meaning

1147
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,320
and the only meaning that has whatever

1148
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,839
mean you want to give to it and our

1149
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,800
meaning generally

1150
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,400
is it's got to be cheap and it's got to

1151
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:12,000
be quick and if i don't need any more

1152
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,680
i've got to knock it down

1153
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,160
now you got to be careful because when

1154
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,160
you build a cathedral it says

1155
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,400
that we're that this is a meaning and a

1156
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:22,320
purpose that's permanent and therefore

1157
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:22,640
we

1158
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,800
for all our civilizations could be here

1159
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:30,640
for thousands of years cathedrals don't

1160
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,200
aren't just

1161
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,520
set up to then be knocked down like a

1162
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,800
tent

1163
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:37,200
but strip malls are and when you have a

1164
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:38,320
society that's

1165
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,160
building stuff and producing stuff

1166
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,800
that's meant to be obsolescent that's

1167
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,400
meant to be thrown away

1168
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,920
i don't think any of us are going to be

1169
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,760
handing down our computers to our

1170
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,680
grandchild or great grandchildren right

1171
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:54,320
that that has built in obsolescence that

1172
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,280
it's here today

1173
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,240
gone tomorrow then why should we expect

1174
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,880
anyone to want to protect our society

1175
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,560
so i do think these are these are

1176
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,240
legitimate questions it's a long way

1177
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:06,480
around to answer to say well at one

1178
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:07,280
level

1179
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,599
to have to

1180
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,680
consider the mythological element and i

1181
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,440
don't use mythologicals

1182
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,839
as as unreal i use it in the greek sense

1183
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,320
of mythos as the as the archetypes the

1184
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,520
absolute meta-narratives by which we

1185
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,520
live out our lives and inherent of

1186
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,720
meaning and purpose

1187
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:29,200
we all have to do it well you use the

1188
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:29,760
term

1189
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,200
mythology why isn't it okay that

1190
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,640
we we follow it as a myth but appreciate

1191
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,320
that ultimately what comes from it i'm

1192
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,079
speaking christianity is

1193
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:42,480
positive it's how to deal with your

1194
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:43,280
fellow man

1195
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,119
and community and selflessness etc

1196
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:50,160
but a recognition that okay but it is

1197
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,200
founded on these

1198
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,760
myths as opposed to again having to

1199
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:54,720
believe

1200
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,160
in this narrative of jesus virgin birth

1201
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:02,000
son of god yeah i i have a problem with

1202
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:02,480
that

1203
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:07,599
i'm gonna put you in the front row and

1204
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,520
keep my eye on you

1205
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,040
go back to my original point we're all

1206
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,720
governed by myths it's a myth to think

1207
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,720
that scientific rationalism can give us

1208
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,520
a one-size-fits-all picture of reality

1209
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,359
it's a myth to say that the world has no

1210
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:22,880
inherent meaning and purpose so you're

1211
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:23,200
saying

1212
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,119
you're right

1213
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,760
it is okay okay to look at it as a myth

1214
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,720
as opposed to

1215
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,480
i'm saying yes jim you're right if you

1216
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:33,839
define myth as an

1217
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,040
inescapable human category of thought

1218
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,920
that we cannot think without so if you

1219
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,040
think that myths could be just

1220
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,720
jettisoned and thrown away

1221
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,880
because they're not true you're not

1222
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,640
understanding the term myth as i am

1223
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:48,319
understand it methods

1224
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,400
by its in its greek term means the the

1225
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:55,920
uh meta narrative the overall

1226
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:00,079
um what's the good word um

1227
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,800
it's uh yeah it's it's the paradigm

1228
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:07,920
by which i understand everything so

1229
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,200
it's so a myth frames

1230
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:14,079
my understanding of reality so if i say

1231
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,200
to you

1232
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,319
know is some that which is

1233
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,800
scientifically proved

1234
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,960
sounds sounds rational the only thing i

1235
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,920
know

1236
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,599
is that which can be scientifically

1237
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,680
proven to me that's great but it just

1238
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:29,280
it won't take long for somebody to point

1239
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:30,400
you out and point out to you well you

1240
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,200
cannot

1241
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,880
i think that's the first thing to say

1242
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,640
let

1243
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:35,920
it won't take long for someone to point

1244
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,800
out that's not scientifically provable

1245
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,440
that itself is what we call a faith

1246
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:42,480
commitment

1247
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,960
because there's only so many faith

1248
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,160
commitments that can actually

1249
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,480
work in life again jordan peterson i

1250
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,079
think has done some very good job

1251
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,599
very good work on that in terms of

1252
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,119
bringing that to the popular

1253
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,880
realm cultural anthropologists have

1254
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,880
recognized this durkheim was arguing

1255
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,480
this at the turn of the 20th century he

1256
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,000
called it the sacred

1257
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,040
only so many sacred that is absolute

1258
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,280
unquestionable non-negotiable

1259
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,119
foundational beliefs

1260
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:11,200
by which we are going to build our

1261
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,240
society

1262
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,240
right we hold these truths to be

1263
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,760
self-evident

1264
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:18,000
all men are created equal and that

1265
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,359
they're endowed by the great

1266
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,079
that's myth methods there so if you want

1267
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,839
to turn around and say no when i say

1268
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:26,000
myth is i mean basically a step up from

1269
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,280
a fairy tale

1270
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,640
and um you know a fiction and and

1271
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,319
and maybe these fictions point to this

1272
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,839
or that you got to be careful because

1273
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,359
that's based on a myth

1274
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,040
that's well there's a difference between

1275
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,200
the thoughts of science

1276
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,720
but there's an important distinction

1277
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:42,079
between what you know and what you

1278
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,359
believe

1279
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,640
so well again again um

1280
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,079
there can be but it's a modernist

1281
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,760
distinction to say that what we know

1282
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,440
and what we believe belong in

1283
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,960
fundamentally different categories

1284
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,240
because again how do you

1285
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,520
know that and do you believe that

1286
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,920
well you you know it through science so

1287
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,119
that would be the distinction

1288
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,880
as to what you know and what you believe

1289
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,880
are things and it's perfectly fine to

1290
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,000
believe in things that

1291
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,119
have not been yeah but jim

1292
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,040
let's i mean let's be blunt what you

1293
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,680
just said was not a scientific statement

1294
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,720
so you don't i'm not a scientist

1295
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,680
no no no no you come back here now jimmy

1296
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,680
you come back here what you just said

1297
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,680
was not a scientific statement therefore

1298
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,200
it was simply a statement of belief and

1299
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,920
therefore not applicable to me

1300
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,480
you see this this is this this is the

1301
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,319
tough part about trying to

1302
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,480
think about where do we ground our

1303
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:39,760
society and

1304
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,880
let me ask you again yeah go ahead sorry

1305
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,480
kind of another approach to kind of the

1306
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,720
same area that i

1307
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:49,520
thought about the the golden rule i

1308
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,240
think has

1309
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:52,960
an evolutionary explanation for it do

1310
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,359
you

1311
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,839
agree with that oh it certainly can't

1312
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,240
sure absolutely because again it it's

1313
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,599
for the benefit of everybody if

1314
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,680
if we're well and also it it it's

1315
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,640
explained the

1316
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,400
the fact that everybody buys into it is

1317
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,079
explained by the fact that

1318
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,480
we realize we're all self-interested and

1319
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,160
selfish inherently

1320
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,480
but we realize through the history of

1321
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,200
man

1322
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,800
is that but you know what if i only look

1323
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:19,119
out for myself things ain't gonna go so

1324
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,400
well for all of us

1325
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,720
so all of us need to treat each other as

1326
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,560
we would want to be treated

1327
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,240
man figured that out otherwise we

1328
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,599
wouldn't have evolved

1329
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,760
and hence the reason we're around today

1330
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,280
and the reason that everybody seems to

1331
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:33,359
subscribe to this universal truth that

1332
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,800
the golden rule is the thing to live by

1333
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:39,200
yes absolutely um and again we have

1334
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,920
studies

1335
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,560
like uh on chimps you know if they if

1336
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,920
they just try this is where again i

1337
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,520
think blm is so

1338
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,760
is so wrong and cultural marxist is so

1339
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,319
wrong if society is just built on power

1340
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,440
and beating everybody up to the top

1341
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,800
uh is once the chimp ends up getting to

1342
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,480
the top of the hierarchy

1343
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,480
and if he's was smashing everybody's

1344
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:02,319
skulls on the way up the moment he turns

1345
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,119
his back they all

1346
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,680
tear him to shreds the chimp that's able

1347
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,079
to figure out how to make alliances

1348
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:10,640
to to do favors and so forth and when he

1349
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,200
makes it

1350
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:14,480
to the top uh the pack feels uh loyal to

1351
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,880
him

1352
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:17,680
so absolutely we see it in nature as

1353
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,319
well

1354
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,480
so no question there but again i don't

1355
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,240
think that gets us very far

1356
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,839
well the only reason i and i know we got

1357
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,359
to wrap up unfortunately because you get

1358
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,200
the the reason i raised that is uh

1359
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,880
dennis prager is somebody that i like to

1360
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,079
listen to quite a bit but

1361
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:32,079
he always seems to to say that hey

1362
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,280
without religion

1363
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,040
that we we need that for order in

1364
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,560
society for people to

1365
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,240
treat each other this way we need

1366
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,920
religion and i'm saying that

1367
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,319
i don't think we do i think that we get

1368
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,800
the golden rule comes inherently through

1369
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,800
evolution people recognize that we need

1370
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,400
to follow this we don't need to believe

1371
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,359
in a particular

1372
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,880
religion to have this yeah okay so what

1373
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,440
so where i'll i'll go with you on what

1374
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,760
you just said i was almost about to

1375
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,359
but in other words you said we don't

1376
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,079
need a particular okay i'll go with that

1377
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,640
yes it's the question of when you say we

1378
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,400
don't need religion and again i don't

1379
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,839
know where dennis is coming from in

1380
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,359
terms of his actual definition of

1381
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,640
religion but if a cultural

1382
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,240
anthropologist

1383
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,920
were in the room with us i studied

1384
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,520
cultural anthropology at

1385
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,319
durham university um if they're in a

1386
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,760
room with us they'll remind us that

1387
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,440
religion is one of the most hard things

1388
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,280
to actually really define

1389
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,839
and nail down and cultural

1390
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:27,520
anthropologists tend to see religion as

1391
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,640
that meta-narrative

1392
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,880
it they tend to say is that those sacred

1393
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,160
absolute

1394
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,720
unquestionable beliefs and rules and

1395
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,319
understandings and goals

1396
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,400
that we're just we're talking about

1397
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,800
right now we want the human

1398
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,359
uh species to survive we want to

1399
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,119
flourish as human beings because we

1400
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,200
think that's meaningful and that's good

1401
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,200
that's our sacred and in a re in that

1402
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,119
cultural anthropological sense

1403
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,920
that's our religion that's why blm can

1404
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,359
cut become a religion

1405
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,520
that's why antifa can become religious

1406
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,839
because we're we're attracted to those

1407
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,359
things that we think

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provide ultimate meaning and purpose in

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our lives the problem with them

1410
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again is if it's too small

1411
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you can get duped it's got to be much

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bigger and much larger

1413
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and be able to answer questions not only

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of all right how do we get along

1415
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our ethic but also questions of meaning

1416
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and purpose what is a family

1417
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,960
uh what is literature art architecture

1418
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:25,119
music poetry how should our politics be

1419
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arranged

1420
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what do we think of the cosmos what's

1421
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our relationship to the cosmos

1422
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that's big stuff and

1423
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historically speaking that's the role

1424
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that religion played in answering those

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questions

1426
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thank you to dr steve turley you can

1427
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check his show out on youtube

1428
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um under steve turley he also has a

1429
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website called turley

1430
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talks which you should check out thank

1431
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,720
you to our producer michael parker thank

1432
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:52,720
you to our intern jake wall and we'll be

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back

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soon with another episode of the hidden

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truth show

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[Music]

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[Applause]

1438
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thank you for listening to the hidden

1439
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truth show with jim breslow

1440
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you can find us at hidden

1441
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,440
hiddentruthshow.com

1442
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:09,680
follow us on facebook twitter and

1443
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,559
instagram

1444
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,359
at hidden truth show join us again next

1445
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:15,760
week for another episode of hidden truth

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show